Curse

Thanas · Oct 12, 2005, 07:24 PM // 19:24

GRRRRRR!!!!

Is it me or are a vast majority of players complete retards. No offence meant to those good players out there.

A couple of days ago I started playing as a monk. I've just got myself to the maguuma jungle. Now as a monk I'm ussually expected to heal, especially if I'm the only monk on the team. And to heal you need this magical sustance we like to call energy. If one has energy one can heal, the coverse being if one has no energy one cannot heal. Its a simple concept, which I would expect most people to understand. However I'd be wrong in assuming this of course, since the vast majority of players don't.

Lets set the scene. I play as healing monk with 11 heal, 8 smite and 9 divine. I use orision of healing, healing seed, vig spirirt and healing wind in order to heal my team. I also have boon for that extra healing. Thats -1 energy regen. In total I have 51 energy with boon on since my extra energy comes from being enchanted.

Now I'm playing blood and smoke. I get a team. Its reasonably balanced, but with just me to heal. So we leave ventaris refuge and someone aggros the white mantle mob and whats this our warriors are dying very fast. One is level 19 and nearly dies in a few secs. Hmmm possibly a frenzy warrior. I sigh!

We manage to scrape through and move on. We reach the next mob. And oh look our lvl 15 warrior is aggroing groups which he should be ignoring and oh look our other warriors brought us another mob. So I'm now on a healing frenzy. I'm doing Ok until, whats this our warriors manage to get another mob involved. By this time my energy is low and the team is falling. I manage to keep one warrior alive and keep on having to res another. We evntually suceed. However I notice that while all this is going on the necro in the team says we would be Ok if our team attacked together and our healer healed. And I'm like "WTF?!?".

Now mildly annoyed we carry on. But whats this. Hey guys my energy is low can you wait. I ping my energy. I type "wait". I draw on map. People respond by pinging their energy and health. I sigh again. Fortunately my energy has regened by the time we get to the next mob and this time we do OK. However after asking them to wait again for me to regen I am ignored and as a result I struggle to heal. This keeps on happening with me asking the team to wait. eventually the necro pipes up and says something like "STFU with all this waiting". I then explain that I can't heal with no energy. And he says what you will regen on the way. I then tell him that yes I will but not fully and then I won't be able to heal them. I then get everyone on the team having a go at me. I mean what the??? What is wrong with these people? I then tell them I won't heal them. They laugh at me. I tell them that if they won't let me regen I will let them die. And hey they do it again. So ... I let them die and bid them farewell. As I hit the warp to town button I see a warrior begging to be ressurected, since no one else has ressurect he is screwed! I leave with a grin on my face.

Now I'm not normally a malicious player for anyone who thinks I am, but theres only so much I can take. And I can't play with a crap team who doesn't listen.

It is so sad this is the level of most gamers out there.

BTW I already have a 600 hour necro. SO I am not inexperienced with regards to gameplay.

tripplesix · Oct 12, 2005, 07:28 PM // 19:28

i bid u welcome 2 the world of online gaming.

Thanas · Oct 12, 2005, 07:32 PM // 19:32

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Originally Posted by tripplesix

i bid u welcome 2 the world of online gaming.

I know, I know, but nearly every group a bunch of egits. It's enough to drive you insane.

tripplesix · Oct 12, 2005, 07:39 PM // 19:39

i feel ur pain, but after a while when u know the game better u can do the whole thing with henchmen or with friends/guild. but the people u meet in GW r basicly the same as in any other online game, buss, diner or hockeygame.

Farin · Oct 12, 2005, 07:44 PM // 19:44

I never really had a problem with my monk, i guess i was just lucky. Give henchies a try though, things are easy when you heal them.

Thanas · Oct 12, 2005, 07:50 PM // 19:50

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Originally Posted by RaZoO

I never really had a problem with my monk, i guess i was just lucky. Give henchies a try though, things are easy when you heal them.

Would do but henchies give me such a headache. Alsesia makes me so angry, running back and forth healing herself whilst aggroing entire mobs.

Makkert · Oct 12, 2005, 08:02 PM // 20:02

Deja Vu.
how many threads like this have we have seen now?
way to many. I sympathise, but starting a new thread on this is a bit unnecessary.

TopGun · Oct 12, 2005, 08:06 PM // 20:06

1) You took the inverse, not converse, of your statement.

2) I play a lot of PvP. What I usually find are idiotic people running away from the main group, so I've gotten into the habit of telling people to stay by my location or encounter the very misfortunate visit to Mr. Reaper. Usually, some idiot who insists on playing the game while drunk needs to run off alone to the other side of the arena, and I just roll my eyes, say "warned you," and then drop in hopes of finding a better group.

So, yes, I quit on idiots. But at least I give people the benefit of the doubt: You are ignorant until proven idiotic. I start off assuming that people don't know anything. So if I tell you to stay by me, you stay by me. If you are set on running to the other side of the arena, proving yourself an idiot, fine. But don't expect me to stand around, unless I'm using /laugh.

Rico Carridan · Oct 12, 2005, 08:09 PM // 20:09

My first character to finish the game was a healing monk, and yes, sometimes you get a group that you just can't do anything with. If you get such a team, just do what you can, and if everyone ends up dying, well, you did what you could. Move on and forget about it. On the other hand, you'll also get some groups where everything is working perfectly, and you can really have a good time healing. Nothing is more satisfying than making it through a tough mission with a full team, nobody dead, and one healer.

Since you mentioned it in your post, I'd like to make a few recommendations for what you could do to try to make healing a little easier on yourself:

-First, you're using WAY too many 10 energy spells. Healing breeze, healing seed AND vigorous spirit? You only need one of those spells--for PvE, I'd strongly recommend healing seed--healing breeze is actually one of the worst healing spells in the game. Pick up Dwanya's Kiss and Mend Ailment instead of breeze and spirit. Dwanya's kiss you can spam while orison of healing is charging. Both are excellent healing spells for 5 energy. For mend ailment, don't worry about putting points into protect prayers for it, your divine boon will pull it through, but you can use it to treat a quick spider bite or blind or something, which people always appreciate. If you want to use these high energy spells, you're going to need to drop divine boon, otherwise your energy management will fall apart too quickly.

-Second, if you want to use boon full time, try to figure out some way to manage energy. Since you've got points in divine anyway, you might want to look at, I think it's called Divine Spirit. Whatever it's called, it makes monk spells cost 5 energy less to cast, to a minimum of 1, and lasts for a decent amount of time now. That means, particularly if you don't have boon on at the time, that you can spam orison of healing and dwanya's kiss for 1 energy each, and you will actually be GAINING energy (through your regeneration) while healing constantly. If not, look to your secondary for energy management skills. If you're Mo/Me or Mo/N, or even Mo/E, you have a number of great options available that will let your restore your energy, try experimenting with those. Hopefully by time you get to about Forge (via story of course), you should never have to stop and rest for energy.

-Finally, this is purely my opinion here, but I would drop the smiting prayers. It is difficult to be both a smiter and healer at the same time ESPECIALLY if you're trying to run divine boon as well. You just don't have enough energy to manage it all at once. Re-invest those points into either your secondary for energy management, or pump them into divine favour. Remember that for every point in divine favour, I believe you get ~7 points of healing on orison (including boon), versus only 3 for every point in healing prayers.

Now, please, I don't want you to get the idea that I'm saying you were at fault in the situation you described: you weren't, your group were a bunch of idiots, and they got what they deserved. But the recommendations that I'm giving here will hopefully mean that you will run out of energy less often, meaning that it is less likely you will run into these types of situations in the future.

Rico

Ollj · Oct 12, 2005, 08:47 PM // 20:47

monks and elementalists that always beg for a waiting time show a pathetic team build.

Tactical-Dillusions · Oct 12, 2005, 09:00 PM // 21:00

When i take my level 20 healer into an earlier level, i take unyielding aura and blessed signet.
Anyone who doesn't understand the concept of teamwork will then be at my mercy.

As for people expecting the monk to save them time after time...they should bring a self-heal.
Monks are not God and should always be regarded as a saftey net....not a babysitter.

Sanji · Oct 12, 2005, 09:01 PM // 21:01

As someone who has played through the game as both a Monk and an Elementalist, I have to agree with Ollj. I've rarely had problems with my team having to wait on me to begin with as a Monk or Elementalist. But, that's due to me using Mesmer as a secondary on both.

Yes, rushers drag the team down, but so do casters lacking any sort of Energy Management. If you end up hitting 0 energy in battle or even after a battle, you might want to rethink your build.

=HT=Ingram · Oct 12, 2005, 09:07 PM // 21:07

look into skills that heal for 5 energy MAX 10 energy.. never more then that. Boon works great if you have everything in heal and divine.. I use 1 superior in healing.. for 16attrib...

I also use divine spirit to get those 5 engy down to 1 engy when its starts getting REAL intense. Basically when you see you are down to 10engy.. cast that spirit and use your 3 5 healing spells very quickly on everyone that needs it. by the time its worn off you should be back up to around 20 engy... hopefully that's enough to rest up for a sec. if not prioritize your casts... till spirit recharges. Maybe drop boon for a while. yes you are healing less but you are getting more energy.... For these builds the more +Energy bonuses you have the better... Of course the +12 energy icon is a must... Armor with plus energy is also very important. Some bonus on a wand would be great... Like a green wand or something... I am using a purple holy rod with a +8 energy bonus while enchanted. So while I have the boon on I have more energy to work with...

Also a secret I love to do is in a pinch I change my armor in battle. Yes I get less health, but if I have a +10% health bonus, its really REALLY nice to have both Superior Healing, and Superior Divine, on you. So plan out your armor sets. I messed up the first time and had my superior divine on the chest, and my superior vigor on my primary chest. OUCH... Next time I learned to match up armor sets with same runes. If minor on one set, then superior on other set same piece. then I can switch out on demand and get the attrib boost... This works well with eles too btw...

Hope some of that is useful to you, Good luck...

ingram.

lanfear · Oct 12, 2005, 09:16 PM // 21:16

i have an e/mo character that i do prot/heal/smite on, and i rarely have problems with energy, except when i do the 4x meteor shower thing

(glyph of renewal, arcane echo)

Ristaron · Oct 12, 2005, 09:25 PM // 21:25

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Originally Posted by tripplesix

i bid u welcome 2 the world of online gaming.

Please, please tell me English is not your first language.

As for the monk problems, enjoy being wanted in teams while you can. When PvP is the thing that remains challenging to you, you will miss the days of being wanted... every so so and his dog has a rank 2+ healer up his ass that puts us non-power-PvPers out of luck because we have jack all to show for however excellent we are at PvPing.

Numa Pompilius · Oct 12, 2005, 09:29 PM // 21:29

I'm playing a monk now, after paladin & mesmer/necro, and it's a whole different game.

Unfortunately not in a good way.

With my mesmer it was real hard to find PUGs, but I just took henches instead, no biggie, but with my monk...

Wherever I turn up, I get invites instantly. If I 'reject' they invite again. And again. If I ignore I start getting "accept plz" whispers.

And I'm suddenly starting to get attitude from asshats. For instance, I mapped to Thirsty River, sat down on the ground and started selecting skills. Some wamo runs up, sits on my avatar and says "I shit on u". WTF? While I sometimes had hard time finding groups, none of my other avatars got attitude from other players for no good reason.

Then I enter thirsty river mission. I'm one of two monks in the PUG. Turns out the other monk is really an elementalist nuker, so I'm the only healer. Fight starts, a ranger uses a speed buff and runs ahead to kill the priest while the other fight outside. I run back and forth, trying to keep everyone alive, but eventually the lone ranger dies. "WTH didn't you heal me?!?!"

Feh.

And that was actually a good group, we finished the mission quite easily.

NekoZ · Oct 12, 2005, 09:37 PM // 21:37

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Originally Posted by Ollj

monks and elementalists that always beg for a waiting time show a pathetic team build.

*Smack*

Anyway, with my necro trying to get into FoW or any other mission I usually end up with a group similiar to what you mentioned. I have never really came across a bad monk, jus mostly bad Warriors. Never want to wait and just want to rush in. That's why I try to group with the least amount of 'em. No offense.

Always the same, will never change.

Thanas · Oct 12, 2005, 10:01 PM // 22:01

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Originally Posted by Makkert

Deja Vu.
how many threads like this have we have seen now?
way to many. I sympathise, but starting a new thread on this is a bit unnecessary.

Just telling my story is all, thats what this thread is for is it not?

Thanas · Oct 12, 2005, 10:07 PM // 22:07

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Originally Posted by TopGun

1) You took the inverse, not converse, of your statement.

con·verse

adj.
Reversed, as in position, order, or action; contrary.

n.
Something that has been reversed; an opposite.
Logic. A proposition obtained by conversion.

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Originally Posted by TopGun

2) I play a lot of PvP. What I usually find are idiotic people running away from the main group, so I've gotten into the habit of telling people to stay by my location or encounter the very misfortunate visit to Mr. Reaper. Usually, some idiot who insists on playing the game while drunk needs to run off alone to the other side of the arena, and I just roll my eyes, say "warned you," and then drop in hopes of finding a better group.

So, yes, I quit on idiots. But at least I give people the benefit of the doubt: You are ignorant until proven idiotic. I start off assuming that people don't know anything. So if I tell you to stay by me, you stay by me. If you are set on running to the other side of the arena, proving yourself an idiot, fine. But don't expect me to stand around, unless I'm using /laugh.

True. I give people the benefit of the doubt too. I did stay in that game for quite a while. As I said I don't just leave a game for the hell of it.

Thanas · Oct 12, 2005, 10:14 PM // 22:14

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Originally Posted by Ollj

monks and elementalists that always beg for a waiting time show a pathetic team build.

You can't expect great team builds with random PUG's. When I play there's often only enough people to make one group. So I expect people to hang on those few secs for me to recharge. Thats not much to ask. Its great if you have a necro on blood rit or if you are far enough into the game, BiP. However this is not always the case.

Also if you do post try and be constructive.